Why Would Luke Cage Push Clair Away Again
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#2 Tsundoku
Posted 25 September 2016 - 08:40 PM
High Geek of Crawfish, on 25 September 2016 - 05:05 PM, said:
Idk when I ll finish cause DD2 is really deadening.
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#iii polishgenius
Posted 30 September 2016 - 06:56 PM
Just watched the starting time ep, very impressed. Great performances, especially by Mahershala Ali every bit Coppermouth.
High Geek of Crawfish, on 30 September 2016 - 06:24 PM, said:
I'm a fleck dislocated on timeline of bear witness in regards to JJ/CW though.
It's obviously after Jessica Jones. I don't recall Civil War has come into it equally yet, and I uncertainty it will.
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#4 polishgenius
Posted 30 September 2016 - 08:04 PM
'The Incident' is, in the Television receiver 'poetry, New York street-level code for the finish of Avengers 1. Came upwardly in the beginning season of Daredevil, might besides have been namedropped in JJ I recall?
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#5 Vengeance
Posted 01 October 2016 - 01:14 AM
High Geek of Crawfish, on 30 September 2016 - 06:24 PM, said:
Ep i very boring till last few mins. I'grand a bit confused on timeline of show in regards to JJ/CW though.
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#vi Tiste Simeon
Posted 01 Oct 2016 - 07:03 AM
Every bit far every bit I tin tell this is all pre-JJ and the incident was the Avengers i when they trashed half of New York. I can't remember how JJ concluded but I become the impression that he hasn't met her yet. For example, he is even so on near his married woman being killed and in JJ he finds out she did it nether compulsion IIRC.
The timeline is weird though because even though DD, JJ & LC are all happening at roughly the aforementioned time, in that location is no mention actually of the other in each serial. Obviously Luke is in JJ, so that is the exception, but I call back DD got a cursory mention in JJ but in his ain site is big news. Similarly, the bad guy in JJ (don't call up his name) becomes huge in her site but is completely ignored in DD, which I find strange. Unless I missed something...
Anyway, I am loving LC so far! In some ways information technology is quite dull paced but that is by no ways boring. The characters are all fascinating and accept nifty interaction with each other. The music is superb, and each episodes vocal in the club has been a wonderful add-on to it.
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Definitely called that cop being on Cottonmouths payroll!
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#7 polishgenius
Posted 01 October 2016 - 08:01 AM
Tiste Simeon, on 01 October 2016 - 07:03 AM, said:
I tin can't recall how JJ ended just I get the impression that he hasn't met her nevertheless.
They mention her in the second scene of the first episode in the chat with Pop. Non by name but it'southward definitely the events of JJ they're referring to.
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#viii Tsundoku
Posted 01 October 2016 - 12:45 PM
But saw eps ane-2. Really, really proficient.
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#ix Morgoth
Posted 02 Oct 2016 - 02:40 PM
The camera work in this evidence is astonishing. The scenes, the positiong and the lighting. It'due south all and so great!
And man, the guy who plays Cottonmouth is incredible.
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#x Tiste Simeon
Posted 02 October 2016 - 05:11 PM
Loftier Geek of Crawfish, on 01 October 2016 - 05:39 PM, said:
On Ep 5 now. The song in this was bully. Loved the origin Ep to.
Tiste what Ep is your spoiler about? I don't want to click it however.
Ok on timeline in Ep 5.
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Rosario(boing)'s grapheme shows back up mentioning both DD2 and JJ events. Plus Shades but confirmed Incident is Av1.
Just watched that EP, aye you're correct re: timeline. Cannot for the life of me remember what happened on JJ & why no i on any of these other sites references information technology.
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#xi polishgenius
Posted 02 October 2016 - 08:59 PM
Tiste Simeon, on 02 October 2016 - 05:11 PM, said:
Just watched that EP, aye you're right re: timeline. Cannot for the life of me remember what happened on JJ & why no ane on any of these other sites references it.
Information technology wasn't an peculiarly high-profile chain of events, in-universe. It's quite plausible for no-one apart from Luke himself, who has apparent reasons for not wanting to talk almost it much, to not even know who JJ is at this point. Daredevil caused considerably more ruckus, and his activities are mentioned even less on this show.
But the real reason they don't cantankerous-reference each other besides heavily is to prevent people from having to sentry one to watch another. Pure pragmatism from a viewer-reaching perspective.
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#12 Vengeance
Posted 03 Oct 2016 - 02:33 AM
Every bit for the time line.
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After DD1. Earlier JJ. In JJ his wife is expressionless.in LC1 she isn't even so. In the first episode the cousin/council women mentions what happened to Fisk. So later DD1.The incident is avg1.
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#xiii Aptorian
Posted 03 Oct 2016 - 05:43 AM
Vengeance, on 03 October 2016 - 02:33 AM, said:
Equally for the fourth dimension line.
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After DD1. Before JJ. In JJ his wife is expressionless.in LC1 she isn't all the same. In the offset episode the cousin/council women mentions what happened to Fisk. And so after DD1.The incident is avg1.
I've only watched up until episode 6 so far but the show is current. It does non take place earlier Cage's wife died.
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In the very first episode Luke Muzzle references beingness shot in the caput past Jessica Jones. In episode six the latino nurse from the other shows returns and references keeping him alive subsequently he was shot in the head. She also references the events of the catastrophe of Daredevil flavour 2 where the hospital was attacked.
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Posted 03 October 2016 - xi:09 AM
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Posted 03 October 2016 - 11:25 AM
This show is everything I hoped information technology would be.
Much better than DD2 imho.
Mahershala Ali every bit Cottonmouth is killing information technology.
I think Colter and Ali play off each other perfectly.
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#16 Aptorian
Posted 03 October 2016 - 03:04 PM
Idea the first vi episodes were okay. Not amazing but they were edifice towards something.
Though the final 7 episodes were garbage. The manuscripts went right down the toilet, with long pointless flash back sequences and soul searching meant to build depth but it but felt artificial. That whole earnest situation thing was 80s level season filler dross.
In terms of escalating powers, I experience like Muzzle's story has shown how weak the whole "heroes fighting societal problems" story angle is becoming.
one. With the powers Cage possesses, the season's obstacles are little. Making the writers come upwards with ass-backwards reasons for Cage to be challenged.
2. Apparently Cage tin can't kill or arrest people and so he can't really end any criminals. Meanwhile the criminals are costless to target anybody Cage loves, making the whole "no clandestine identity" angle terrible.
Mostly I would have preferred a less pro-active, more selfish Luke Muzzle that knows he tin't save everybody and as such only goes most his twenty-four hour period. More "The Wire" and less Spiderman-like guilty conscience.
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Posted 03 October 2016 - 04:06 PM
Apt, on 03 October 2016 - 03:04 PM, said:
Thought the first 6 episodes were okay. Not amazing only they were edifice towards something.
Though the final 7 episodes were garbage. The manuscripts went right down the toilet, with long pointless wink dorsum sequences and soul searching meant to build depth but it just felt artificial. That whole earnest situation thing was 80s level season filler dross.
In terms of escalating powers, I feel like Cage'due south story has shown how weak the whole "heroes fighting societal problems" story bending is condign.
1. With the powers Muzzle possesses, the flavour'south obstacles are trivial. Making the writers come up up with ass-backwards reasons for Muzzle to be challenged.
ii. Evidently Cage tin't kill or arrest people so he tin can't really stop any criminals. Meanwhile the criminals are complimentary to target anybody Muzzle loves, making the whole "no secret identity" angle terrible.
Generally I would take preferred a less pro-active, more selfish Luke Cage that knows he can't save everybody and every bit such just goes about his day. More "The Wire" and less Spiderman-like guilty censor.
I hear this a lot these days.
What Powers/stories are appropriate when dealing with societal bug?
The super hero is modern days Greek God/demi-God. Hercules and Luke Muzzle are alike.
The Hercules story has been retold many times but when dealing with a strong human being classic we tin either become actually Actually large (Carrying Atlasian burdens) or really actually small and intimate (redeming the sin of Killing his married woman and kids). That's i office of Dwayne Johnsons Hercules I can appreciate over that other travesty screened at the same time.
Luke Muzzle has to confront inner hell because outer hell can't touch him. At that place'southward no budget to really challenge a character that powerful. I agree that there needs to be more sway in his morals just I like the fact he tries to exist a stand upward guy.
Existence a good guy is harder to do for a power every bit selfish as super strength and invulnerability. Y'all tin can't protect much when y'all're meliorate meant to destroy.
Of course I know the comics accept this downward the other route simply I can respect what Mike Colter'southward version of the graphic symbol is trying to work through.
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#18 Tapper
Posted 04 October 2016 - 01:13 PM
Apt, on 03 October 2016 - 03:04 PM, said:
Thought the offset six episodes were okay. Not amazing just they were building towards something.
Though the final 7 episodes were garbage. The manuscripts went right down the toilet, with long pointless flash dorsum sequences and soul searching meant to build depth but it just felt artificial. That whole hostage situation thing was 80s level flavour filler dross.
In terms of escalating powers, I feel like Cage's story has shown how weak the whole "heroes fighting societal issues" story angle is becoming.
1. With the powers Cage possesses, the flavor's obstacles are trivial. Making the writers come upwards with ass-backwards reasons for Cage to be challenged.
ii. Obviously Cage can't impale or arrest people so he tin't actually stop any criminals. Meanwhile the criminals are free to target anybody Cage loves, making the whole "no hole-and-corner identity" angle terrible.
Generally I would have preferred a less pro-active, more selfish Luke Cage that knows he can't save everybody and as such just goes nigh his day. More "The Wire" and less Spiderman-like guilty conscience.
I agree that the first one-half of the serial is also what I liked best
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(up until the plot takes a back seat to innovate Diamondback, who is more bedlamite than mastermind).
1. In that location comes a demand to take heroes downwards, so in that location will be someone supplying the means - or at the least offering them a chance in the arms race. It is simple economy, just considering that this item serial is taking place fairly shut in time to Avengers ane, .
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There's multiple instances of it: in episode 10/11 (when Diamondback does Domingo'due south den, which totally sounds like a porno) with the kevlar-piercing bullets. There'southward also the doctor Burnstein or whatever his name is, trying to replicate his experiment. So in that location's both mundane means and counter-powering upwardly happening. It's becoming an manufacture.
two. There's probably something similar a noncombatant arrest, but when it comes to the street level heroes, this show actually shows how niggling they tin do and how weak they are in that respect. Daredevil had the same issue once the Kingpin went public: he could mop up all the henchmen but practise little that the public would believe. I remember what the Netflix series bear witness, is that vigilantism actually doesn't really piece of work. In LC, this is demonstrated best by Cottonmouth's henchmen, who continue dealing arms, keep being in crime no matter how oft Cage takes their guns and bends them in loops.
As for Muzzle being more 'the Wire-like': I guess that is what he was doing upwardly until Reeva'south death, maybe fifty-fifty until just after Jessica Jones flavor 1. It is other people asking him to footstep into the limelight, and he does and so just on their (well, Pop's) insistence - and can't go back afterwards. It might likewise tie in where they want to become with Muzzle - the yellow shirt and tiara, the reference to Power-Man (his father's nickname for him) and 'hero for rent' (which is what he says he is non), the romance with Jessica Jones - either they're ways to say we don't become that manner - or they're nudges and hints towards him marrying JJ and teaming up with Daniel Rand every bit Power-Homo and Fe Fist in the future.
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#19 WinterPhoenix
Posted 05 Oct 2016 - 03:27 AM
The timeline really isn't too difficult to gather at least insofar as the Netflix series work as a coherent unit of measurement, though there is at to the lowest degree one definite issue. Luke Cage necessarily has to happen after the Jessica Jones and Daredevil 2 because events in both of those series are explicitly mentioned - most clearly by Rosario Dawson's grapheme when she references both Jessica shooting Cage in the head and the Dd2 events at the infirmary that led to her leaving her prior employment - this is the crusade of some trouble. I think Mariah Dillard's anti-hero voice communication at Harlem's Paradise references Jones breaking Kilgrave'due south cervix in JJ as well. Exactly how much time has passed since the end of Dd2 tin exist debated, but at the very least once we first run across Claire Temple in Harlem, Luke Cage is happening later on the end of Dd2. Cross-referencing seems to have been kept to a minimal level - i.due east. merely enough to satisfy fans of the underlying 'shared universe' concept and provide a broad idea of timeline - so that viewers don't feel like they take to have seen all that comes before, it'due south been a successful model thus far and I for ane accept enjoyed each serial to varying degrees. To weigh in on the quality discussion I must say I institute the first half dozen episodes to be pretty damn great, the death of Cottonmouth and transition to that god awful villain Diamondback, still, actually led to a marked drib in quality for the remaining episodes. Ali's performance was really great, much like D'Onofrio and Tennant before him, notwithstanding I cannot say I enjoyed this as much as either flavour of Daredevil.
I tin can see how the timeline has issues for some regarding how the shows fit into the general MCU continuity particularly considering that explicit references to cinematic events exterior of 'the incident' - which has been canonically fix as New Yorker slang for the events at the climax of Avengers 1 in the previous Netflix installments - are almost not-existent. Leading a viewer to question whether whatever of the massive events of afterward films have really happened yet. They accept for the most part, yet, every bit I go to below, I don't think whatever Netflix show is post-Civil War withal. In general the lack of mentions is simply a purposeful tactic to minimize the difficulty of watching the shows without having seen the movies (and apparently the movies brand no references to the shows for the aforementioned reason) so as to maximize possible audiences. I wonder whether this is an implicit admission that the TV wing of the MCU volition not beingness playing any sort of cinematic part, fifty-fifty in the upcoming everyone Vs Thanos that will be the guns blazing denouement of Marvel Stage 3 :/
For what it's worth and for anyone who cares, here follows a rough timeline of Marvel TV shows - and how the relevant movies fit - not including Agent Carter (obvious) or AoS series ane every bit information technology takes place entirely before Daredevil i (with the exception of a couple of DD flashbacks of course). I Will put it in spoilers just in case.
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Daredevil serial 1 is set in Jan 2015 (the present day events of episode 1) and events conclude with Fisk's imprisonment at the finish of Feb, for reference to the TV shows exterior of Netflix, Fisk'southward imprisonment is concurrent with AoS series 2 ep 4-five I believe. March 2015 is the start of Jessica Jones, this is about 8 months before information technology's actual release appointment in November, DD is set iii months prior to it's release in Apr. The events of Jones run through to the end of April, finishing around AoS series ii ep 16, April 2015 is also the month that Frank Castle'due south family are killed in key park. The get-go calendar week in May is Age of Ultron, and followed pretty swiftly by the events in Afterlife at the stop of AoS series 2. The earliest events of series 3 are hours later on, with Simmons' first few hours on Maveth, the rest of the series including the 4 prior episodes and much of that episode itself are set after, Simmons is stranded for a number of months. July through to the beginning of Baronial is Pismire-Man. Simmons doesn't escape until the end of Nov, November is likewise the month Peter Parker gains his powers and the present day events of Dd2 outset. Dd2 runs correct through to Christmas Twenty-four hour period 2015. AoS serial iii mid-series intermission is around Jan 2016, picking upward again in March, with April being the 'destruction of HYDRA'. May 2016, the Lagos incident in Civil State of war occurs. June, the Avengers fight at the aerodrome and Cap Vs Fe Man too as the culmination of AoS series 3. Series iv is currently in October/Nov, so information technology's ahead of real life.
Where exactly Luke Cage fits into that I tin't say for sure, the prove clearly starts in summertime, and summer 2015 would fit what nosotros told before the shows release, i.east. information technology's gear up a few months afterward JJ finishes in April of that year. Nevertheless, the hospital attack in Dd2 occurs in December 2015, significant that by the fourth dimension nosotros run across Claire Temple in Harlem for the first time, information technology literally has to be early 2016. The but mode this is possible is if way more time passes in the episodes before her kickoff appearance in Luke Muzzle than it actually seems, plus if information technology is winter 2016 past that time then it is a very balmy 1 past New York standards. There's obviously a timeline issue here, merely if there'southward anything we Malazan readers know...
At any rate it explains why Luke Muzzle pays no attention to the Sokovia Accords of Ceremonious War, because Ceremonious War isn't until May-June 2016, definitely post-Cage whenever information technology might be ready. I recall the merely Marvel television show currently to exist ahead of the events of Civil War is AoS as of now (the effects of the Sokovia Accords are being shown in AoS serial 4), one imagines Fe Fist will be likewise, only not necessarily I judge. Anything later on that, i.east. Defenders probably has to be in a postal service-Ceremonious War MU, which will be interesting to say the least, because at that point the Netflix Marvel co-operative really cannot ignore concrete things like the Accords and still claim to be an integrated part of the MCU. Perchance in fact The Defenders whenever it does come out will be set sometime not too long afterward Civil War, and accept dealing with the accords every bit a central plot indicate.
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#20 Nevyn
Posted 05 October 2016 - 01:42 PM
I did not detect the timeline all that confusing. The JJ stuff was a picayune up in the air merely they cleared it up quickly.
I am a chip the contrary of others here, as I liked the opening of the show a fleck more the closing.
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The actor for cottonmouth is awesome and gave a good performance, but they put him in likewise deep a hole too soon, and so every bit an adversary for Luke he caused all the bug people complain about re a superhero fighting boring henchmen. There was never a detail likelihood that Cottonmouth could come out the victor or even maintain a stalemate.
They needed Diamondback to put Luke in some actual danger, and to introduce more of his back story.
That being said, information technology felt to me like Alfre Woodard mailed in her performance a flake, which was a surprise. And the plot around her and Shades was a flake thrown together around Luke and Diamondback.
Not sure how I felt almost Shades. Very absurd performance, only they made the character so absurd and so seemingly menacing that it was a surprise he wasn't more than martially constructive. Specially since the early Seagate teases made it seem possible he could have been enhanced in some manner, likewise.
All in all, I liked this 1 a bit less than DD and JJ though. They pulled a bully cast together and I expected them to do more with it.
It was nice to have a The Wire reunion prove, though.
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